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The oldest ice disappears and the Stone Age emerges from it

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pugworthy • 4 hours ago

To be clear, so far some of the oldest ice found is over 6 million years old...

https://news.oregonstate.edu/news/six-million-year-old-ice-d...

x______________ • 31 minutes ago

> To be clear, so far some of the oldest ice found is over 6 million years old...

And they're working on finding even older!

"Given the spectacularly old ice we have discovered at Allan Hills, we also have designed a comprehensive longer-term new study of this region to try to extend the records even further in time, which we hope to conduct between 2026 and 2031"

autoexec • 3 hours ago

Sure, our actions and inaction regarding climate change threaten the very future of humanity, but on the bright side we're going to learn so much about human history in the process!

ant6n • 3 hours ago

Climate is out. Climate tech too.

AI is in.

paulryanrogers • 2 hours ago

With oil prices rising, climate tech is still quietly advancing.

jareklupinski • 2 hours ago

what if we used AI on the climate

trismus • 1 hour ago

Just gotta build out those data centers first. For the climate, of course.

yako21000 • 1 hour ago

Impact compared to other life necessary structures of big cities is small. (Water, power etc...) But yeah, it still consumes.

parineum • 1 hour ago

I'm sure you're abstaining from using AI, for the climate of course.

quotemstr • 1 hour ago

Nah. For centuries up to the 1850s, climate was looking pretty dicy. The little ice age, had it gone on, might have represented a return a big ice age.

The heroic efforts of early industrialists adding carbon to the atmosphere avoided this calamity and set us up with a level of comfy and productive climate unknown in the quaternary.

Amazing how humanity keeps lucking out like this.

lexicality • 4 hours ago

I'm slightly surprised they're just holding these artefacts with bare hands. I thought that was generally a no-no for dealing with objects untouched for thousands of years

AlotOfReading • 3 hours ago

Conservationists and archivists (sometimes) use gloves on cleaned samples, but not archaeologists. An archaeologist wearing gloves is almost certainly just cold.

There's no real reason to immediately protect the find from light handling when it's discovered. It's a dirty object that's still coated in whatever was floating around the environment for those thousands of years. The rock will be fine and probably handled multiple times before it gets back to an archive.

I think the only times I've worn gloves in the field were for a very rusty metal dagger and some especially sensitive human remains.

dieselgate • 4 hours ago

Me too but presumably they’re not really that unique as there are hundreds? Or maybe the stone/hard artifacts are handled different than organic/soft.

thenthenthen • 1 hour ago

Thats one pretty arrowhead

assimpleaspossi • 2 hours ago

So this means these areas were once not ice covered? Does this mean the area is returning to what it was a thousand years ago? And, back then, this was the normal or is ice covering the normal?

chrisco255 • 5 hours ago

What's most impressive to me is how razor sharp the slate arrowhead they show in the top photo is. I've seen photos of many stone age arrowheads but they are usually much more dull and blunted.

jacquesm • 3 hours ago

That's because they weren't exposed to the weather as much. Essentially these were 'shrinkwrapped' in nature's own version of Cosmoline. No bacteria, no free oxygen. Once did this with a rose to see how long it would last and it basically was perfect until we moved house. Many years and not even the slightest change, it didn't even lose color.

spockz • 3 hours ago

That would actually be a brilliant treatment to give wedding bouquets! I’ve never heard of Cosmoline. Going to look it up. Thanks!

PowerElectronix • 6 hours ago

Does this mean that the ice wasn't there during the stone age?

kzrdude • 5 hours ago

Yes: most mainland Norway ice was gone during the holocene climatic optimum (9–6 thousand years ago), and glaciers recovered since then (until approx the 20th century, when deglaciation started accelerating again).

The climate is varying in long cycles, and the deglaciation 20 thousand years ago (last glacial maximum) was driven by a spike in summer temperatures, and this peak has already long passed. Ice ages and interglacial periods have a certain momentum to them, so it takes more than just that to go back to full ice age..

chrisco255 • 5 hours ago

Yes, the early Neolithic was warmer than modern era.

mistrial9 • 4 hours ago

wrong: IPCC AR6 puts the warmest Holocene stretch (~6.5 ka) at about 0.2-1°C above 1850-1900. 2011-2020 already beat that

chrisco255 • 2 hours ago

No, it's not wrong or we wouldn't be finding 5K year old instruments underneath melted glaciers as this article's evidence shows. And ice core samples from Greenland and Antarctica support this.

fc417fc802 • 2 hours ago

Without taking a position I will point out that your stated reasoning doesn't hold due to how much momentum these systems have and how slowly they respond. It seems entirely plausible that this outcome would still have happened if temperatures had plateaued several years ago.

throwaway173738 • 5 hours ago

Whatever you put in the glacier the glacier gives back to you. Anything you leave there ends up at the bottom of it in the moraine.

skeledrew • 3 hours ago

Just wait for a few ancient-but-novel pathogens to start emerging too.

beansovertoast • 2 hours ago

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gAI • 5 hours ago

Including Stone Age diseases?

octaane • 1 hour ago

Yes.

bpbp-mango • 4 hours ago

I wonder what we will find beneath Greenland's ice?

mikert89 • 5 hours ago

Hyperborea

Creamsicle47 • 4 hours ago

I come from a land down under

pestatije • 2 hours ago

Imagine if the water disappeared

peatweald • 49 minutes ago

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dyauspitr • 6 hours ago

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sublinear • 6 hours ago

That last sentence is how we know you've never been there. The ratio is the same as anywhere else.

dyauspitr • 6 hours ago

I’ve been to Norway, Sweden, Iceland, Denmark, Finland, the British Isles, all of it really.