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Citroen revives the 2CV for an electric age

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Lio • 3 hours ago

With all the hype around the nostalgia it seems to be slipping by people that this 2CV also has a class leading weight at under a tonne.

Lighter weight means better range for a smaller battery, more efficient tyres and lower road wear. It's one of the reasons why the target price is going to be so low.

It's a really cheap car but I think to do that they still have to have some good engineering in it.

ninalanyon • 2 hours ago

The original was only a bit over half a tonne at 600 kg.

This one looks about as much like the original 2CV as a BMW Mini looks like an Austin Mini, that is, not very much.

Lio • 2 hours ago

I don't think that really matters.

If it was just about the looks it would be boring as hell but if you ignore the cosmetics, it's still light weight and low cost by the standards of other modern electric cars.

Remember this is the very bottom segment of market and a very competitive space to be in.

This is not a car aimed at me but I still think it's interesting.

Totoradio • 2 hours ago

The original had a top speed of 40 mph and its only security feature was prayers.

groby_b • 2 hours ago

Ahem. Having driven a 2CV, that top speed literally only applies to the first revision. (So, yes, technically "the original")

Later versions could do 65mph. 75mph downhill with the wind at your back.

dylan604 • 53 minutes ago

So a scooter with a sidecar are enclosed?

dylan604 • 54 minutes ago

The marketing text says it is a tribute. Not sure where your basing it as a replica look-a-like is coming from

alentred • 3 hours ago

There are more details on the official website [1] and in the official video [2]

I already love it. The infotainment is proudly named Radioën. They made the champignon pedals!, although I am not sure this will be kept in the production model due to regulation. The seats will definitely need headrests in the 21st :)

And there is a van model. I doubt that one will be a commercial success, though.

[1] FR: https://2cv-concept.citroen.com/fr/concept/

[1] EN: https://2cv-concept.citroen.com/en/concept/

[2] https://2cv-concept.citroen.com/

lucfranken • 4 hours ago

The original is great fun to drive in. It also had a really simple rooftop which could be opened in some models. It drove on highways but that was really exciting.

It still has lots of heritage feeling. People even make them electric themselves https://eveurope.eu/en/product/ev-hype-ev-conversion-kit-for...

So it’s not just a car model being electrified.

It’s more about the sentiment than the real usefulness of the design in current times.

Here is another example with more photos:

https://2cev.co.uk/

zh3 • 4 hours ago

I liked their old advert about how the 2CV had an automatic sunroof: "You automatically open it when the sun is shining".

greggsy • 2 hours ago

My favourite car advertisement was for the Mini Moke:

‘Moking is not a wealth problem’

groby_b • 2 hours ago

It also opened automatically if you made the mistake of leaving a tunnel at the same time as the truck in the lane next to you.

Clean tear at the front.

Life never wasn't exciting with a 2CV.

PorciiVorbesc • 5 hours ago

>As they face mounting competition from Chinese manufacturers, Citroen and other European brands are exploiting their heritage as a means of selling modern motors

Heritage and vintage looks of the EU car industry, will only take you so far. Working class people still choose best bang/range for the buck car since their car is a tool, not a fashion statement bag.

Those who treat their car as a fashion accessory are few and the fad of such a retro model wears off quickly when too many people end up with them making them uncool again, like the VW did with the new beetle.

detritus • 4 hours ago

I was thinking about this last night - the European car industry's ripe for disruption by a nimble car company that can make really basic EVs with none of the pointless, excessive cruft that seems endemic in every new car release.

It's only Dacia who seems to understand that there's big market for basic but half-decent cars that don't bill themselves as infotainment fourth spaces, or whatever the hell it is that they're trying to go for [1].

Give me wind up windows, give me an analogue dashboard, give me a basic interface for my phone, etc.

[1] ok, we know what they're going for - the Euros in our wallets... .

pjc50 • 4 hours ago

I'm a bit of a stuck record on this, but quite a lot of the tech is either legally mandated or a EURO NCAP requirement. You can try marketing a barebones car which doesn't have a 5 rating on NCAP and see how that goes.

I do think Renault/Dacia have ""got it"" all of a sudden and started actually trying with EVs. Stellantis less so, although Citroen are a Stellantis company. Even Toyota, whose CEO is an overt petrolhead who feels sorry for the loss of engines, are suddenly doing well despite naming their car bz4x in an effort to make it unmemorable.

The war(s) are only going to accelerate this progress.

dingaling • 2 hours ago

"You can try marketing a barebones car which doesn't have a 5 rating on NCAP and see how that goes."

Dacia did, and their CEO said they would let customers decide - which they did in droves, to his benefit, despite scoring three stars or fewer.

The newest Dacia Spring has one star.

NCAP lost its way years ago when it diluted its ratings from just crash testing into including "safety assistance" software.

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MisterMunchkin • 1 hour ago
jubilee33 • 4 hours ago

I rented a basic Fiat sedan recently in east Europe with a tiny (6-7cms maybe ?) screen for a backup camera that can barely be seen in daylight and a 1990s era type OS that had maybe three functions and never needed to be used. All the lane warning and wheel shaking nonsense (who the hell thought that shaking the steering wheel at speed is a good idea) are controlled by clear buttons on or around the wheel/dash. The car to be honest was not great, because it was very cheaply put together, but the controls were heaven compared to most of the new offerings. İt can be done.

loudmax • 2 hours ago

I'd be careful not to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

"Infotainment" functions in that require interacting with a touch screen were bad ideas at the time and seem incomprehensibly bad in retrospect. It's a certainty that people have died in accidents that occurred because of this.

On the other hand, backup cameras are a genuinely helpful tool. And so are electric power windows: it's far easier to roll windows up and down pushing a button than manipulating the roller. It takes less concentration, so you can focus more on driving. In 2026, the cost of adding motors instead of a hand crank to control the windows has got to be negligible.

There are other improvements that were luxuries in traditional ICE vehicles, but become necessities in hybrid or electric vehicles. Hybrids like Priuses have CVE transmissions, so there's no manual transmission or stick shift. Electric vehicles have electric seat warmers and even steering wheel warmers because there's no gas-burning engine to heat the cabin.

hn_submit • 4 hours ago

The problem was that European manufacturers sought to market EVs as a "premium product" because they make no noise, accelerate quickly, produce no fumes and the lack of vibrations.

That idea almost sank the entire industry because the Chinese were undercutting them left and right. And unlike the U.S. Europe still hasn't closed off its markets to Chinese EVs.

What people want most of all is a cheap and reliable car.

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pjc50 • 3 hours ago
dboreham • 2 hours ago

EVs are marketed as premium because the cost much, much more than ICE vehicles. Or at least did/do today. The logic is this: you make a car with a very expensive battery in it. It now costs 1.5/2X the cost of the same size ICE vehicle. Nobody will buy it. But if you add some bells and whistles that have high margin, you can now make a luxury EV that only costs 1.2X as much as the equivalent ICE vehicle. Government tax incentives close the gap further.

detritus • 3 hours ago

I didn't mean the technical safety requirements - presumaby those create a somewhat level playing field as all manufacturers would be required to include them for the EU market - I simply mean all the luxe crap that every car seems to insist upon.

Every car review vid I watch on YouTube has me shaking my head at the sheer excess they seem to have.

dboreham • 2 hours ago

It's actually customers who insist on the lux crap. If that were not there, they would be looking at a spartan but very expensive car, vs a spartan but cheap ICE car, and they would always buy the ICE version.

PorciiVorbesc • 4 hours ago

>the European car industry's ripe for disruption by a nimble car company that can make really basic EVs with none of the pointless, excessive cruft that seems endemic in every new car release

Thats where China comes in. The EU makers enjoyed decades of protections from disruption and laziness and compliance settled in because they didn't want to get disrupted.

rob74 • 4 hours ago

Dacia is a brand of Renault, same as Skoda is a brand of the Volkswagen Group - both are attempts of offering more affordable cars built in Eastern Europe (which is especially ironic in the case of VW, which translates to "people's car").

And the only electric Dacia so far is a badge-engineered Chinese-built car: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dacia_Spring - but, according to Wikipedia, the second generation will be built in Europe starting in 2027.

jbaber • 3 hours ago

This is exactly what Slate Auto[1] say they'll do in the US. Unfortunately for me, their initial models are a truck and an SUV. I'm crossing my fingers they'll succeed, then make an econobox for me.

[1]: https://www.slate.auto/

detritus • 3 hours ago

Yeah, I really like Slate's ethos, but I'm in exactly the same boat as you!

Maken • 3 hours ago

You are pretty much describing the Renault 4/5. They still carry a big screen but everything vital can be controlled by buttons and switches around the wheel.

hn_submit • 4 hours ago

I'd love an EV with no screen except for the instrument dash and buttons, dials and sliders to operate the A/C and radio.

testing22321 • 3 hours ago

New Cars must have a backup camera by law. So the screen is mandatory.

hn_submit • 3 hours ago

Could be integrated into the instrument dash screen.

pantalaimon • 3 hours ago

> with none of the pointless, excessive cruft that seems endemic in every new car release

A lot of that (driver assisting and monitoring systems) are mandated by EU

tpm • 4 hours ago

The BBC article fails to mention that this new 2CV is aiming for the new M1E vehicle category, created especially for small, affordable EVs.

If you want something bigger (than 4200 mm) then the battery will be so expensive anyway that most of the added tech does not change the price considerably. And also forget about the analogue dashboard because we have a billion mandatory digital assistants anyway (I'm not complaining, anything to save lives).

kakacik • 3 hours ago

Dacia is fine but dont crash in it, it wont be nice at higher speeds where more premium brands will protect you and your family better. Its not about some adac stara but real world collisions and what happened to occupants.

Same for chinese, recent MG scandal where driver's seat during crash can start continuing original trajectory even if rest of car does not.

I ignore infotainment and electronic crap as much as possible, its pathetic how bad it is still in 2026 across whole industry, beta test at bsst. But real safety I ignore not.

makeitdouble • 3 hours ago

"heritage" isn't about fashion, Citroen is signaling a specific value proposition and ethos through this choice. And also enough commitment to burn their one throw at this target.

They already went a similar direction with the Ami,it was a pretty bold move and it was met with very decent sales https://www.passionnement-citroen.com/post/citroen-ami-premi...

sam_lowry_ • 3 hours ago

Also Renault 5 and Renault 4 seem to be selling quite well.

YesThatTom2 • 5 hours ago

Point taken but I’m pretty sure working class people choose based on initial cost, not bang/range for the buck.

bluGill • 4 hours ago

That depends on where you sit in the working class. At the bottom are people who earn almost nothing and price it the only consideration. As you move up though you find people who have some disposable income and start caring about style. At the top end of the working class you find people who can afford a new car (where this is aimed!) and those people tend to care about style.

spankibalt • 4 hours ago

> Heritage and vintage looks, will only take you so far.

Amen. A, in this case rather ugly, restyling of a wheeled smartphone is not something I have an interest in. That's why you need the people that work on designing and signing-off (on) the thing understand what made the original such an oustanding design in the first place.

not-kinsale-joe • 3 hours ago

I think you are wrong, I live in the UK and people around me drive used BMW x5s and Range Rovers both objectively bad vehicles and not best bang for buck.

Car are a fashion statement no matter how much or little wealth you have.

alexaholic • 2 hours ago

I think you're mistaking status for fashion.

KaiserPro • 2 hours ago

Status and fashion are intrinsically linked.

people have Luis vuiton branded stuff because it was a status brand. It was a status brand because it was exclusive. it was exclusive because it was expensive.

BMWs used to be exclusive, only executives would drive them. THey were expensive, so were only given to execs (if it was a company car) or bought because execs had more cash (generally)

alexaholic • 2 hours ago

If I read you correctly, you are both arguing with me and in my favour.

greggsy • 2 hours ago

The two are inexorably related

alexaholic • 2 hours ago

I think you're mistaken

bgarbiak • 2 hours ago

How they are “objectively bad”?

skywal_l • 5 hours ago

There must be the equivalent for "first as a tragedy then as a comedy" saying for commercial product. "first as a tool then as a totem" or something like that.

leokennis • 4 hours ago

Meanwhile, at least Dutch roads are full of Renault 5 electrics (https://www.renault.nl/elektrische-autos/r5-e-tech-electric....) and FIAT 500's (https://www.fiat.nl/modellen/fiat-500-hybrid).

I agree that vanity cars that are a shitty car that looks like a classic serve little value. However good cars that "interpolate" and reinterpret classics can be absolutely fine; the originals did become classics for a reason.

sspiff • 3 hours ago

I see the R5 electric everywhere in Belgium as well, and I still love how it looks despite its ubiquity.

A small hatchback no longer fits my life, but otherwise I would have loved to drive an R5.

I hope they make some "hot hatch" EVs in the future, the Alpine A290 is more like an expensive lukewarm hatch.

jaapz • 3 hours ago

Those cars are also just very practical for a lot of people. It's not a family car, but not everyone needs a family car. Afaik they are so popular because they can be leased relatively cheaply.

rjsw • 3 hours ago

The same CEO was ultimately responsible for both those cars.

drcongo • 3 hours ago

The success of the Fiat 500 and new Mini renders the GP comment completely moot.

epolanski • 5 hours ago

Citroen is already the Stellantis' equivalent of Skoda niche for Volkswagen.

pjc50 • 4 hours ago

Skoda are doing great with the Elroq at #2, just behind the Model Y: https://cleantechnica.com/2026/10/03/europe-ev-sales-report-...

Stellantis do seem to sandbag their EVs a bit with batteries that don't quiiiite have as much range as competitors. When my Abarth 600E eventually arrives I am going to annoy HN with even more EV-posting.

muvlon • 4 hours ago

Yeah. I drive a modern Stellantis EV and it's quite evident that this is an afterthought retrofitted onto a ICE/hybrid platform. The battery is not that huge, but more importantly all the EV-specific features you'd expect are either missing entirely or really crappy. Charging speed is severely limited, there is no vehicle-to-load, barely anything in terms of charging settings and also no trip planning (I'm told this is available as a paid add-on in some models). By default, the screen behind the steering wheel uses the majority of its space to visualize which energy source is currently in use - maybe nice in a hybrid, but profoundly useless in a pure EV. And of course, there is no frunk. Instead, the space under the hood is occupied by the centralized electric motor as well as the supplementary car parts arranged in a way clearly meant to accommodate a much larger combustion drivetrain, all covered in big plastic panels to conceal the empty space (or maybe the fact that it's an EV at all).

Not to bash it too much, it is an okay car that gets you where you want to go, but it's clearly not them doing their best job at making an EV. I actually like that they have physical, tactile interfaces such as buttons, levers and knobs for all the really important features. I'm not saying they should go the Tesla route and replace all that with a big touchscreen in the center column.

epolanski • 3 hours ago

I highly doubt those numbers, Leapmotor sells a lot of T03 and Bs and it's not even in the rankings.

Hamuko • 3 hours ago

I feel like the Mustang has been able to go pretty far on heritage and vintage looks.

hn_submit • 5 hours ago

I've always been amazed why the 2CV is seen as a styling icon. It's a bare-bones car from the 1930's which didn't get produced until the late 40's due to the war. By the time production ramped up it was hopelessly outdated.

The only thing positive that can be said about the modern iteration is its $15K price. But for that money you're not getting a real car but a city roundabout with very limited range and speed. The Chinese BYD Seagull is a real car for $10,000 which is quite large to boot.

It's positive that European carmakers are finally catering to the wallets of their customers. No one is clamoring for an electric $50K VW Rabbit (VW Golf).

Lio • 4 hours ago

> I've always been amazed why the 2CV is seen as a styling icon.

It's because the design was simple and cheap but effective. It's a distinctive, original design that was bought by everyone from farmers to the aristocracy.

Take the badge off that BYD and you would struggle to tell it apart from any other soulless boring car. In 5 years time BYD will have changed the design with nothing retained and still nothing distinctive about it.

This new 2CV on the other hand is very distinctive to the point where some will love it and some will hate it.

It's a good cheap, small car that will be easy to drive in cities. It's also "classless" car in the best sense.

Some people will want it regardless of how much money they have. It's the opposite of "try hard". You'd only buy a Seagull because you can't afford something better (from BYD or anyone else).

> No one is clamoring for an electric $50K VW Rabbit (VW Golf).

Actually the electric Golf (Rabbit) already exists, it's called an ID.3. It's about the 5th best selling electric car in Europe so it's, apparently, exactly what a lot of people want.

hn_submit • 4 hours ago

That's because all car manufacturers make good looking cars these days. The few good looking cars that existed before the 1980's were therefore immediately lauded as styling icons.

Even the Chinese designs are acceptable to good, mostly because they hire design expertise from Europe and North America.

SoftTalker • 3 hours ago

There's really only one shape of car body that has optimal performance in a wind tunnel. That's why all cars look alike today.

usrnm • 1 hour ago

Oh, so that's why I cannot see any difference between a Mini and Ford F150?

robotmay • 4 hours ago

I think a lot of the popular classics are often because they were unique, not necessarily beautiful, and often the most popular tend to be some of the most ubiquitous models that were designed for the everyman, e.g. the 2CV, VW Beetle, VW Camper etc. I suspect they become stylish by association with the periods in which they were popular and the people who owned them, rather than because their own styling is great.

I always thought the Citroen vans of the era were very cool, I'd love to see a modern van design based on the H, for example.

RugnirViking • 4 hours ago

this is absolutely it. the only recipe to make a car that becomes iconic is make it different/recognisable then sell a lot of it, for cheap (really cheap. No, cheaper. Cheaper than that) to students/artists. nostalgia will do the rest

bluGill • 4 hours ago

These days cars are more reliable and so students/artists are much more likely to buy a used car.

In the 1970s getting 100,000 miles on a car gave you bragging rights - you would invite your friends to see it turn over, driving away in a cloud of blue smoke (engine oil burns blue), and carefully avoid puddles since they would splash water through the holes in the floor.

These days cars go a lot longer before they fail and so people with limited money buy used cars.

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SoftTalker • 3 hours ago
pasc1878 • 2 hours ago

There are iconic expensive cars e.g. Jaguar E-type, Aston Martin DB5 and very expensive e.g. Rolls Royce Shadow.

beefandcheese • 2 hours ago

you might like the morris JE vans - based on the old Morris J vans from the 40's https://morris-commercial.com/

ekr • 4 hours ago

There's no new electric car for less than €17800, in the Netherlands at least. The BYD's start at around €20k. Only the Dacia Spring and the Leapmotor T03 are available under that price point. So if something was to be available for €15k and if it's highway capable, I'm sure it will sell decently well.

hn_submit • 4 hours ago

The BYD Seagull (a.k.a. Dolphin Surf) retails for €10K in Spain. The price difference elsewhere is most likely due to taxes and/or import duties.

ekr • 3 hours ago

Just checked and that includes a government subsidy called Auto Plan+ which is close to 5k EUR. Adding to the actual price of 12.900 EUR for the car, it's still a comparable price point to the rest of Europe.

weinzierl • 4 hours ago

"I've always been amazed why the 2CV is seen as a styling icon."

Style icon? Maybe you are thinking of the DS.

The 2CV was commonly considered ugly so much that in Germany it was only known as Ugly Duckling, despite being a popular car there.

mpol • 4 hours ago

The same in Dutch with "Lelijke Eend".

I do assume it is now more of a style icon, where you only drive it on sunny Sundays, or daily if you want to be counter-culture.

spankibalt • 4 hours ago

> Style icon? Maybe you are thinking of the DS.

Yes, style icon. That is a well established matter of record.

> The 2CV was commonly considered ugly so much that in Germany it was only known as Ugly Duckling [...].

Utter rubbish! The Germans, I happen to be one of 'em, call(ed) the 2CV just Ente. That translates to duck.

Toutouxc • 3 hours ago

I have to agree, in Czech the car is referred to as the “kachna” (duck). No negative connotations and no obvious connection to the ugly duckling story (“ošklivé káčátko” in Czech).

weinzierl • 3 hours ago

I lived at the time and Ente always had the subtext of Hässliche Ente (Ugly Duckling). No one at the time thought it was a beautiful car. Practical, yes, cheap too. It had its lovers but there was never any doubt about its aesthetic qualities.

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spankibalt • 3 hours ago
Mashimo • 4 hours ago

> The Chinese BYD Seagull is a real car for $10,000 which is quite large to boot.

I think the Seagull cost ~20 000 to 22 000 EUR in a lot of European countries. Who knows what the Citroen 2CV will cost in china.

KaiserPro • 2 hours ago

What I would like is a small EV (whats small now was family hatchback 15 years ago)

A lot of EVs are fucking huge, the renault 5/zoe for me is the sweet spot.

I like the 2cv, I really hope it has the pneumatic suspension, or atleast the soft suspension of its predecessor

usrnm • 1 hour ago

Aren't EVs large because of the battery?

pjc50 • 4 hours ago

Citroen have always been distinctive "love it or hate it" about their looks, but in this case they've seen what Renault are doing (selling 5's as fast as they can make them) and decided to get in on the action by doing a similar retro reference.

> No one is clamoring for an electric $50K VW Rabbit (VW Golf).

https://cleantechnica.com/2026/10/03/europe-ev-sales-report-...

The ID4 is about Golf-sized, costs about 45kE, and is sitting at #6 on the EV sales chart.

(see also: Renault Twingo, Dacia (Renault Romanian subsidiary) Spring)

close04 • 4 hours ago

> The ID4 is about Golf-sized

The ID.3 is almost a perfect match for the Golf in exterior size (within a couple of cm in length). The ID.4 is substantially larger, most obvious being 30cm longer. At least in Europe the ID.4 is considered an SUV.

alexaholic • 2 hours ago

> No one is clamoring for an electric $50K VW Rabbit (VW Golf).

I don't know if anyone's clamouring, but ysk there exists a $50K PHEV Golf

fstephany • 4 hours ago

The proposed M1E car category in the EU (more or less the european equivalent to the japanese kei cars) might boost this segment of smaller, cheaper cars.

Arodex • 4 hours ago

>I've always been amazed why the 2CV is seen as a styling icon

Round curves and lights looking like eyes, with proportions close to a human face.

The same design cues that made the VW Beetle and the Mazda Miata (1st gen) popular cars.

And "barebones" can be a quality. Citroen did tons of overcomplicated cars too, and for all the love I have towards the DS, the CX, the SM etc., they all suffered and keep suffering of reliability problems that killed them commercially and to keep them running nowadays.

forestingfisher • 5 hours ago

I'm really digging Citroen's design recently. Along with Renault and Hyundai, they feel like cars from the future instead of the bloated aggressive and angular design we've come to expect

halflife • 4 hours ago

Interestingly, the name 2cv means 2 Cheval Fiscal, or 2 fiscal horses. Which was a tax measurement for cars based on a formula of the shape and performance of the engine.

The car itself had 9 horsepower.

MisterMunchkin • 1 hour ago

Having a roll-up fabric roof doesn't seem very practical. I don't really want a car that's going to fill with water. All the potential gaps, having to roll up a soggy, bird-shit-covered roof. It just doesn't seem like a great idea.

GuB-42 • 3 hours ago

Not a big fan of the trend of making all these small electric cars while at the same time dropping the entire A-segment, which, for Citroen, would be the C1.

The problem is that these electric cars have terrible range, because of the small battery, making them almost exclusively city cars. A-segment gas cars are also marketed as city cars, but they can also do long trips just fine. Not the most comfortable, and you are not taking your entire house with you, but you will get there, at highway speeds, just like with any other car. And with good fuel economy too. Perfect for those who want an affordable car, don't drive much, but may take the occasional road trip. By comparison, that 2CV is mostly designed as a second car (in addition to being a fashion statement), when you already have a big car for long trips (or get rental/public transport instead).

And for manufacturers, I think "affordable" is the problem here, A-segment cars are low margin, but not cheaper to design than more upscale models, especially now with all the safety and environmental regulations, so the market is not really worth it.

cnity • 2 hours ago

Eh, you're just being pushed out into hatchbacks instead. I can hardly think of a scenario where I'd want an A-segment car instead of a small hatchback (e.g. VW Polo or Ford Fiesta) anyway. Obviously, that's just my opinion.

GuB-42 • 36 minutes ago

The obvious reason is that small hatchbacks (B-segment) are more expensive, both in terms of purchase price and in terms of running costs. And that's my point. Manufacturers don't want to make cars that cost almost as much to produce, but are sold for cheaper.

Also, it is easier to park these small cars, but really, what effectively happened is that manufacturers removed the cheap option on gas cars and claim that the replacement is an EV. It isn't, the A-segment was a cheap, city-optimized, single car option, these small EVs are also cheap (for EVs), but city-exclusive, second car options.

1970-01-01 • 2 hours ago

Retro styling doesn't age well and it just makes the overall vehicle harder to repair. Just take parts from your existing inventory and build me a good looking tiny car. EVs should be ground up designs, not some artistic regurgitation of some 40 year old idea with bespoke parts and inflated costs.

sdcfgy • 5 hours ago

I rather like this. Apart from the interior. Hopefully a production design will have some of the idealisms from the designer removed and replaced with more practical choices. It is however a near ideal cheaper end car for most European countries.

robotmay • 5 hours ago

If they actually deliver something for their target price of around £13k then I'd be very impressed - that would truly be embracing the 2CV heritage in making something attainable for the people.

And agreed, I quite like this design. It doesn't feel as bulky as many modern "retro" cars, like the Mini variants.

epolanski • 5 hours ago

Point is: those cars differentiate little to nothing among themselves except in design gimmicks.

The latest Grande Panda is an example of that.

orliesaurus • 3 hours ago

Missed opportunity to call it Citroën Deux but stylized dEVx - being an EV (read it as the french word `deux` aka 2)

theplumber • 3 hours ago

I think the issue with all these cars is that they are not cheap enough. You get “half” of car while the Chinese provide you a “proper” car for the same price.

vlovich123 • 3 hours ago

Are the Chinese cars somehow really doing manufacturing more efficiently or is it a flooding of the market to capture the market and drive out encumbants (whether government subsidized or otherwise)?

I just don’t understand how the Chinese are making cars at half the price or more since afaik they also manufacture them in China and ship rather than build locally.

GoToRO • 3 hours ago

I worked in the industry. It would have been really hard for China not to do better. Like really hard. They allocated 2 years, 150 people for a device that already existed but needed to be adapted to a different customer. It took 2.5 years. No improvements added. Every single manager in those companies is very political, no skills, technical or otherwise. So if chinese hired 20 competent people, gave them training on the industry's specific tools, they are already ahead.

amelius • 3 hours ago
justsomehnguy • 3 hours ago

Look at the population of your country. Look at the population of China.

trgn • 2 hours ago

I really hope this succeeds and carries over here. The future of city traffic is quiet, odourless, small electric cars puttering around (hoe nyc would feel so much more welcoming!). Hope to see in my lifetime still

sl-1 • 5 hours ago

I hope they succeed, but probably will fail with too complex design. Original 2cv is wonderfully simple. If they can keep that simplicity, they will win.

ktosobcy • 3 hours ago

IMHO the biggest news is new M1E category. I do hope that with that push EU will somewhat mitigate the absolute clusterf*k caused by CAFE regulation in the US :/

mrlonglong • 3 hours ago

Lane assist on post 2016 Audi cars. Ugh. I'm the one in control. Not some stupid SBC box.

ptidhomme • 4 hours ago

French cars are hopeless (since the 2010s). Stay away from them especially if they're such marketing stunts.

Lio • 3 hours ago

I disagree. I think the current crop from Renault are really good.

The Renault 5, Renault 4 and Renault Megan are class leading and have some style about them.

I just wish they came with better privacy controls but then all the car manufactures are operating a cartel when it comes to surveillance.

speedgoose • 4 hours ago

I would be more precise and say since June 2012, when the last Twingo 1 was produced.

20Mo • 4 hours ago

Mais laisse-les acheter !

thomasfl • 5 hours ago

There is nothing wrong with nostalgia. Some property developers makes money from nostalgic architecture. Fashion clothing is often a mix of new and nostalgia.

m000 • 5 hours ago

The problem in this case (and many others) is that nostalgia is limited to the form, bordering on fetishism, while the utilitarian and economic aspects of the original are brushed aside.

From TFA: "The car had high wheel arches and soft suspension, letting it travel across a ploughed field or rough roads - as legend would have it, without breaking a tray of duck eggs. Its high roof let drivers wear a hat at the wheel. It was easy to drive and simple to repair."

Which of those qualities have been retained in this 2CV revival?

robotmay • 5 hours ago

Well the suspension is less of an issue these days due to technical advances. Ground clearance is more of an issue than the suspension travel. This looks more like it's targeted towards city use than the countryside use of the original, especially as it looks to have a notably shorter wheelbase. There's a usecase for small city cars that look cute though.

Mashimo • 4 hours ago

Why does it need the same qualities as the old car?

People want cheap and small electric city cars, why not make it in the style of an iconic car? We already have plenty of mid sized cars that look all the same.

m000 • 4 hours ago

Small electric city cars are convenience mobility for affluent consumers, not a proper car proposition.

I want a car that I can also comfortably drive to the beach, or to the next town. And also looks good, and comes in colors other than black/white/beige.

pasc1878 • 2 hours ago

In Europe a small city car will drive to the next town and in much of Europe to the beach.

"In Europe 100 miles is a long way in USA/Australia 100 years is long ago"

arnejenssen • 4 hours ago

No headrests? It looks scary.

Winfred-zz • 2 hours ago

It's a concept car. It might have been designed by a number of interns and any of the numbers including price, performance, range are to a large degree guessed or calculated from theoreticals.

First thing I always look for in new car announcement, the dreaded "concept car". Then you can close the page pretty much.

lbriner • 2 hours ago

When I was about 12, my slightly younger friend told me his family were getting rid of the Ford Granada with its high fuel consumption and getting "a convertible". I naturally pictured a Cadillac or something but it was....a 2CV Dolly. Went to Belgium from London via the ferry. It was quite comfortable but not only slow (60mph flat out) but it was brand new and had to be "run-in" so mostly 50mph all the way :-)

https://www.goodingco.com/lot/1986-citroen-2cv-dolly

raduz • 4 hours ago

Looks like a similar move to the one Renault took with Renault 5 model. Might not be a bad move, I see a lot of Renault 5 cars on the road.

jadar • 3 hours ago

I see no second commandment violations here.

hacker_88 • 3 hours ago

Ahh Heritage ! Design

jimbobbam • 4 hours ago

Come vw make me an ev bug.

codeulike • 4 hours ago

I like the lego wheels

ginko • 4 hours ago

I wouldn't want to be hit by those headlights as a pedestrian..

phoghed • 4 hours ago

Which are your favorite to be hit by?

adrianmonk • 3 hours ago

Headlights on a very rich person's car.

phoghed • 2 hours ago

Maybe a Waymo or Coca-cola truck. Or time travel back to the unlimited PIP days and get hit by anything

Mashimo • 4 hours ago

Miata!

spankibalt • 5 hours ago

Who in the name of the Twelve Hells did they hire to fuck up one of the greatest utilitarian car designs (especially in its Fourgonnette iteration)?