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Babylonian Lamb Stew with Beets (1750–1730 BCE)

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peri-cl23 minutes ago

The source texts are available here, if anyone wants the literal translations:

https://www.laphamsquarterly.org/roundtable/ancient-mesopota...

dvh7 hours ago

Apparently their beets looked the same as ours:

> The kind of beets used in such an ancient recipe should not be different from the beets we use today, even in name. We read in Dictionary of Assyrian Botany (by Campbell Thompson, 1948) that in the ancient Mesopotamian region it was called ‘shumundar,’ it was as red as blood, and has a spinning-top shape (pp. 49, 51).

alephnerd7 hours ago

The recipe is also similar to Hamedh [0], a delicacy in Iraqi and Baghdadi Jewish households. The only major difference is the addition of tomatoes thanks to the Columbian Exchange, and rice - which would have not been cultivated or traded in West Asia yet.

On that note, in Arabic, Farsi, and Hindustani the word for Tomato is essentially shared (tumatar/tamatimu) with the English word "tomato".

But anyhow, a lot of home cooking and traditional meals actually have a pretty long history.

[0] - https://www.splendidtable.org/story/2000/12/12/hamad-iraqi-b...

amir_karbasi4 hours ago

Actually, in Persian, tomato is literally translated as “western plum”. This is common in our language as we usually say “western” or “foreign” as a prefix to many things that were introduced to Iran (strawberries, sit-style toilets, etc)

thrdbndndn34 minutes ago

Chinese does the same thing, using prefixes like 西 (western), 番 (foreign), and 洋 (foreign) for introduced items.

For tomatoes, interestingly, it has two common names that follow this pattern: *西紅柿*, literally translated as "Western Red Persimmon", and 番茄, literally translated as "Foreign Eggplant".

Other produce examples include 番薯 (Foreign Yam) for sweet potato, 西瓜 (Western Melon) for watermelon, 洋蔥 (Foreign Onion) for bulb onion etc.

xattt57 minutes ago

As an aside, tomatoes are golden apples (pomodoro), and oranges are Chinese apples (Apfelsin) in some languages.

A lot of cultures appear to name botanicals using apples or, in GP’s context, stone fruit as “reference” points.

riffraff3 hours ago

Interesting, in various European languages those tend to be "Turkish": turkey hens (the bird called turkey now), Turkish corn (maize), Turkish beans (long beans).

Again, trade routes.

idontwantthis2 hours ago

In Panama they say Chino for foreign versions and in Cambodia they say barang which literally means Frankish (via farang from Thailand).

oldandboring3 hours ago

> maize

Which, in turn, originated in Mexico and didn't make its way to Europe until the 1500s.

alephnerd3 hours ago

Appreciate the clarification!

amir_karbasi3 hours ago

My pleasure! I also find languages very interesting and have had the opportunity to grow up in a bilingual home and learn French and German.

One more fun fact is that potato is a direct translation of the French “Pomme de terre” (“sib zamani” or “ground apple”).

Back to the actual topic, this is a recipe that’s definitely worth trying. Persian shallots are actually more garlicky than oniony. A great addition to lamb dishes and yogurt.

thaumasiotes3 hours ago

If it's any consolation, their lambs were nothing like ours.

This period is early enough that sheep weren't yet sheared.

harel1 hour ago

Coincidentally this book which has been a labour of love of his creator is going into print this week: https://www.tableofgods.com

It's quite expensive though, but it does look amazing.

cantalopes2 hours ago

Gonna be quite challenging to get "1/2 cup of rendered sheep fat"

strken1 hour ago

In Australia where lamb is more common than in the US, it'd be pretty easy to keep the fat after roasting a lamb shoulder, or to freeze the fatty offcuts from forequarter chops and render them after I had enough.

mermadicsolutio1 hour ago

I was able to get some tail fat from a halal butcher. But never seen lamb fat anywhere else

jp0d2 hours ago

Lamb is quite popular down here in Australia. I usually keep some rendered fat from my roasts etc. Sometimes I cook other meats with it and it adds heaps of flavour. I do that with pork fat as well.

s0rce1 hour ago

if you have a good butcher they might be able to get you some that you can render, but its a hassle. I've done this for beef fat to make some british pie things.

lettergram28 minutes ago

If you like this, you may like the "Tasting History" YouTube channel - https://www.youtube.com/@TastingHistory

He basically covers a different historic dish every week ranging from the oldest recorded dishes to cafeteria food from 1990; or what they served on the Titanic, etc.

It's a great channel, and covers history well.

comrade12346 hours ago

How's the presentation? Just imagining it, it would seem that the meet would have a weird color.

debo_6 hours ago

It looks great. When I first saw it, I thought "this color can't be beet"

PeterHolzwarth1 hour ago

What's enlightening is how astonishingly little salt is used, by our standards.

peri-cl32 minutes ago

The ingredient ratios are the Yale researchers' interpretation—they're not from the source text,

https://www.laphamsquarterly.org/roundtable/ancient-mesopota...

> "Like most premodern cooking manuals, the Babylonian recipes rarely list the quantities of each ingredient, and so basic experimentation is needed to determine viable proportions for the assembly of a dough or the salting of a stew."

eikenberry6 hours ago

Close to a recipe on Tasting History... https://www.tastinghistory.com/recipes/babylonianlambstew Our current favorite dinner watching along with Alton Brown.

Rendello5 hours ago

I've made this Roman recipe probably a dozen times and everyone who's tried it really likes it [1].

The strange ingredients are garum [2] and asafoetida [3]. The former is just a fish sauce, so that's not hard to substitute, but you have to find asafoetida on the Internet or at an Indian food store.

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LynenQ5h2Y

2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garum

3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asafoetida

ilc_genesis_012 hours ago

Yep, this is a great shoutout and I'm also a big TH fan. If you haven't yet, check it out!

greatquux2 hours ago

Yes! Came here to recommend Max. His cookbook is also educational and interesting and some of the recipes are even good! :-)

yubblegum5 hours ago

I'm reading Lloyd Llewellyn-Jones' Babylon - The Biography of a Metropolis which just recently came out, and that's how I ended up hearing about Yale's culinary adventures.

The book, btw, is kind of breezy in style and 'he of many LLs in his name' (Lālu-mullālu in Akkadian as suggested by my friendly AI) uses a lot of contemporary pop (nerdy) references to carry the narrative, yet very engaging and am learning a lot about this fabled city (and civilization).

It sets certain records straight ...

mermadicsolutio1 hour ago

Honestly the recipe sounds like adding beets to a regular lamb stew recipe. If I havent watch this video and saw the dish, I would think some fancy restaurant is trying to be "innovative"

bornfreddy5 hours ago

I think the taste of their beer would have been much different from what we drink today?

0xbadcafebee5 hours ago

Nutty, aromatic, yeasty, slightly sour. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gK4DMt8ARyU

applicative5 hours ago

They certainly didn't use hops!

analog83746 hours ago

I dislike lamb but the rest sounds great. Maybe I could sub beef.

thataccount3 days ago

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tom_7 hours ago

Curious indeed that the Yale Babylonian Collection should, out of all the possible options, choose the cooking of Ancient Babylon. I wonder what we should read into this. I have some theories, but it might be dangerous for me even to mention that I have them.

yubblegum3 days ago

Cradle of civilization is not an odd culture. Babylon, meaning Gate of God, is one of the more profoundly influential urban civilizational clusters in human history.

thataccount3 days ago

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ahazred8ta3 days ago

To an archeologist, 'civilization' refers to builders of walled cities inhabited by non-farmers with complex social sructure, division of labor, and usually some form of taxation. Highly moral hunter gatherers living in mud huts are not a 'civilization' in this context. Now you know.

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