For Linux, there is https://github.com/pwr-Solaar/Solaar
But on another note, the genai content on the website is just so distracting and such a bummer. It sticks out like sore thumb.
Great effort, thanks for that.
But do we still trust the open source software that is created now everything is vibe coded?
Recently there was a thread about Chatto [1], a Slack replacement completely vibe coded by one person. It works and looks nice. But looking at the code, I wouldn’t trust any of my personal information to it. It’s just tousands of lines of skills and vague instructions. It seems that trust in OSS is eroding and big SaaS might win here because they have the reputation.
I judge it on a case-by-case basis by just looking at a few recent commits and the feel of clicking a few files in the repo. For OpenLogi I get the wrong type of vibe code vibes and at the very least that means the project might become an unmaintainable mess in a year and that means I don't want to come to rely on it. At worst it means security vulnerabilities.
That being said: I wouldn't really trust SaaS to not be vibe-coded either. The only difference there is that SaaS likely has a financial incentive to stay maintainable so you could argue that helps.
I believe it varies; since it's merely a productivity tool, why not use it? However, if it's essential software that your business relies on, probably not.
What makes you think big SaaS is not vibecoded?
What makes you think we trust big SaaS :-P
Good point, but big SaaS is more often than not running on their own servers, it’s not local and certainly not a driver/driver-adjacent, which has more privileges than anything else.
On the other hand, it's also much less effort to do at least some rudimentary review.
Or make a fork with only the minimim set of parts that your agent cherry picks.
write code by hand then
great effort ? bro just sniff the traffic and feed into Claude.
> But do we still trust the open source software that is created now everything is vibe coded?
I guess my question is, why would you trust it when it is not vibe coded?
My suggestion is, have an AI review the code for you.
Code is simply math. It either works or it does not. Does your calculator work? Then use it. Does your AI agent of choice produce code that works? Then use it.
Or don't. It's up to you. You're as free to walk away as you are to embrace what's been made here.
Math isn’t known to rm -rf your drive or exfiltrate your private keys and secrets
This is dangerous advice on so many levels.
“Is math” and “Either works or not” is only true with formal specifications and formal verification, which dwarfs the cost of producing said software.
This is a bit of an uncharitable take. "It either works or it does not" is an oversimplification when you consider that code often doesn't work in the way it was intended - that's what bugs are. Are vibe coded apps inherently more buggy? Not necessarily. But the I'd argue there's more surface in a vibe coded app that requires blind trust.
Not really, something can work and be full of security holes.
Good to see open source alternatives to the awful Logitech software. I only realized how bad the Logitech software is after switching from a G502 with on-board memory to an MX Master mouse that does not have on-board memory and needs to have the app constantly running in the background to use the gestures. Personally I've been using BetterMouse on macOS with my MX Master, although it's not open source.
https://github.com/pwr-Solaar/Solaar has been around for quite some time and works well.
In case it’s not known, Logitech does offer an offline version of Options+ meant for air gapped and more secured systems:
https://support.logi.com/hc/change_language/en-in?return_to=...
Logitech's offline installer is 1.2GB. This application's installer is 15.3MB.
You want "Onboard Memory Manager", which is 12 megs.
That only works with "G" brand gaming devices. Their entire MX line does not allow you to store customizations in onboard memory.
I have a "G" series 512 keyboard. And it seemingly can't save anything into the memory (on windows I had to use the logitech's bloatware). And the absolute worst part is that it is set to RGB colors moving around by default, so I've been running openrgb every OS boot to set the lights to a neutral, non-flashing, much much less intensive color. Happy to see alternatives to that.
This is so nuts. It’s literally a multi device mouse - supports 3 bluetooth connections in memory, but I need to install the options app on every single pc/mac I want to use it on. Nuts!
Seems nuts that you would go through the trouble of air gapping a system then use a Bluetooth keyboard.
I maintain a homebrew tap for the offline Options+: https://github.com/gohanlon/homebrew-tap
The tap includes a GH action to track upstream releases (as long as I notice the PR!). Also, the offline version only compensates for some of the issues with Options+.
It's a sad state of affairs that a mouse settings program isn't 'offline' by default. Except maybe an update check it has zero needs to be online.
Cool project, but I hate how every new site has this obviously LLM generated copy :( I feel like most people who use it for their copy don’t realize how obvious it is.
Oh it’s not just the site—the app is obviously LLM generated too and feels like it. I gave up and went back to Mos within 20 minutes.
At this point we should be sharing prompts not code for solutions like OpenLogi. Reverse engineering many things can typically be one-shotted (ignoring things like.. capturing a pcap or whatever to aid the effort). Let others add their own taste to the solution.
Isn't it wasteful to have everyone go off and remake the same software with slightly different bugs in it instead of one that fixes almost all of the bugs
Terribly wasteful, yes, though perhaps if the idea caught on the major labs could stand some chance of long-term profitability.
Seriously, I wonder how many tokens are generated (wasted) every day on someone recreating another agent memory, context management, code graph, etc.
I can’t wait until Qwen 4.5 27B or Gemma 5.
It then becomes a roll of the dice if someone ends up with working software.
Please no, I couldn’t care about your prompts, there is nothing special about them. Anyone can look at the generated artifact and reverse engineer their own prompt in no time
Does it matter? People get caught up on LLM this and sure, a professional beats an LLM currently but I'd rather read some well written LLM text over some poorly written human effort
If it matters is subjective. But personally I stop reading when I notice it’s AI text because there is never anything in it worth reading. It’s just a prompt expanded in to paragraphs of filler text.
This kind of tool doesn’t need a whole Apple style marketing page to sell you on it.
It also signals effort to me, when I see vibeslop text I know the project most likely is a one shot weekend project full of issues which won’t be resolved. I’ve seen good examples of AI use in open source, and those projects write the readme and website copy without AI.
Your LLM text is obviously not well written if we spot it after 2 seconds. I won’t read it, doesn’t matter how beautiful it is, it’s just pure cringe, I notice, roll my eyes, close the tab. Please give me the poorly written human effort. Is it really that hard to spend 10minutes reading what you produced to see if that feels genuine?
It matters to me because I notice and I hate it.
I read plenty of not-obviously-AI-generated text and I much prefer doing that, even if it’s not from a professional.
It’s not about the quality of the text itself. If Claude was one person with a human level of output, Claude would probably be considered decent at writing.
But when I have to read the same genre of slop on 1 million different sites it gets really really annoying imo.
> I'd rather read some well written LLM text over some poorly written human effort
I could not disagree more.
People realize, but writing good technical prose is hard and a separate skill.
I don’t think it’s that hard; it just takes effort. And the effort is well worth it.
It's not that hard if you put in the effort and practice.
But if you don't want to and still want to use an LLM, there are low-bar choices you can make (using a technical writing skill, using ASD-STE100 Simplified Technical English, choosing your audience, proofreading at the end with human eyes to make sure it makes sense and doesn't repeat itself uselessly).
I think it shows either a) low respect or consideration for your audience or yourself, or b) laziness.
Trust yourself to write even if it's bad. At least it's human.
What is the point of spending so much effort if some people are still going to call it LLM slop?
Huh? Bad human writers don’t write like LLMs, at all.
Most worthwhile things are hard without a bit of practice.
> writing good technical prose is hard and a separate skill.
Hard things are hard. They’re not easy. But they’re worth it.
There's good technical prose on the site? It's all just fluff marketing that adds nothing.
it's pretty much "load bearing" at this point.
For a while now BetterTouchTool [0] supports Logitech mice [1]. It's paid, but it's absolutely worth its price. It's super powerful and you can do all kinds of funky stuff with it, not only mouse related. I would suggest looking into it if you want more advanced features, I've been a very happy user for many years now.
There's also BetterMouse for macOS. I use it with a Logitech mouse and it works very well. https://better-mouse.com/
I'm curious if OpenLogi might be better. Despite the vibecoding accusations here, it has 55 contributors, is open source and seems well designed.
I used to use it (better mouse) before BTT added Logitech support - but wasn't really happy with it. Every single update changed something, mostly my cursor speed in some small, but sufficiently noticeable way and I had to adjust it every time, which was super annoying.
At some point my settings kept getting lost every time my mac went to sleep, and I had to restart the app all the time. I messaged the developer, but never received any response or acknowledgement and I just dropped it. It's a pity, because I did like it for a period of time while I was initially using it.
BetterTouchTool is on my list of things to look into for a long time.
Was not aware it is even possible to replace the shitty logitech surveillance software. thanks for the tip!
Can you give maybe an example of a `funky stuff` for the mouse, like those touchpad gestures? i cant think of any, just to get an idea
The one thing I use the most, and how I found it in the first place is that it allows me to combine key presses with mouse gestures/movements. In particular it allows me to move/resize the windows under the cursor just by pressing a key combination and moving my mouse. Many many years ago I used to use AutoHotkey on Windows for this functionality and was missing it when I switched to Mac.
Another thing I've configured is scrolling through a key press and dragging the mouse. Or opening a floating menu by using the thumb button on my MX Master3.
And that's only mouse functions, I have a bunch of other shortcuts/remappings/automations, many of which run only for specific apps.
Have a look in the forum - it's a gold mine and a lot of people have shared their presets.
I've had a paid licence for it for many years but I have ended up shying away from using it because the UI is just so cumbersome. An incredibly powerful piece of software though.
Get an LLM to generate a preset for what you want - it's ultimately driven by a json config. There are quite a few presets in the forum as well for various functions
Looks like someone stole LinearMouse's code and vibed it better . https://linearmouse.app/zh-CN/
The code is right here: https://github.com/AprilNEA/OpenLogi
What makes you say this is stolen from LinearMouse?
i can see the resemblence and that's what separates the more marketable app.
You can't vibe things better. You vibe them shinny, but often make them worst.
Even the screenshot in the readme has a button in Chinese in a sea of english.
Sure you can. Code vibed with a SOTA model is better than mean programmer output, has been for at least a good year now.
It is possible that your impression of mean is actually well bellow mean. SOTA models are still as good as the programmer using them, at best.
Mm.
As an iOS developer, I have yet to see two different teams agree on best practices, architecture, or code style, and the only reason I've seen anyone agree on UI frameworks is that I've been in slightly more teams/seen more ads than there even are widely-used UI frameworks; and despite all the big promises in the job adverts, 95% of the work has been to take someone else's existing UI design and connect it to someone else's existing API.
LLMs fit right in.
(Unlike me: I'm burned out by iOS and LLMs came at exactly the right time).
Yeah, that's what I think every time I read some discussion online about AI coding assistants. Programming is such a wide field with presence in so many different industries, with all sorts of languages and environments, and many people seem to forget that not everything is webdev. You see one person saying they barely need to code by hand anymore and another who can't believe that because their experience has been the complete opposite, when they're probably both right.
Even Example 1 works in a much narrower scope, in that you need to have a decent working setup and all the rails like a good AGENTS file and so on.
The point is that "Vibing" still does not produce worthy output.
One of the main features of Logi Options + is the plugins which this application doesn't seem to support; you can load it locally or from their marketplace[1].
I myself have an accessibility related plugin to make clicking easier [2] built using their Logi Actions SDK. It finds the clickable elements near the cursor and displays them in the Actions Ring and the LCD keypad. If you have the Logi Dialpad then you can have a complete mouse free workflow with Access Ring.
Good morning HN. Hope you're enjoying your daily dose of claudeslop app.
See you all tomorrow when we do it all over again.
You use a coding agent to make and app? Straight to jail. Language server? Jail. Syntax highlighting? Believe it or not, jail.
Im reading the comments here and most of them are regarding what AI did, what AI didnt and not much about the apps functionality, which is lameeee
That's because - given the flashy page and branding and all - it's irrelevant.
The thing is not about code or solving a problem, and we also shouldn't be pretending that it is, because that is what slop, grifters and businesspeople bank on.
Also, you can be sure that the features that do exist are half-baked at best, given that any person with eyes can see that the priorities lie elsewhere.
Yes, that is what I meant.
Go use echo to write your code, otherwise you're not a real coder.
I tried to switch to Mouser, but it leaked memory like crazy, taking sometimes tens of GB of RAM so I just vibed a replacement based on my very specific needs.
It takes 3.5MB of RAM currently.
Mouser is so bad at leaking memory i had to go back to Logi Options+ on my Mac...
It's not open source but I have to shout out Steermouse which has been replacing Logitech's awful Mac software for ~25 years
This is my favorite. It Just Works with every mouse I throw at it and supports a ludicrous amount of button customization.
Not being open source is the thing that the program in the article fixes. You want the goal of the software-writer to be producing a good tool, not using the software as a means to turn a profit. That's how you get the turd being replaced by the tool in the article
I'm always terrified of Bluetooth mice. I've never seen one with the same low latency as a USB mouse. The difference is sometimes subtle, but it's there.
Typically the wireless mice connect over noon-bluetooth wireless protocols and offer bluetooth as fallback, if at all.
Click-to-screen latency is a combination of reporting rate, polling rate and latency within the software stack. Default USB HID polling rate is 125Hz so if you don't do anything extra on top this is what you get anyway. Even higher grade "office" mice offer higher reporting rates than that, "gaming" mice can easily be 1 kHz.
I always thought this is a rule of thumb, but then I learned that wireless gamepads for popular consoles (back then it was PS3/PS4 era) don't really follow that pattern. I came across multiple tests where older wireless PS controllers and xbox controllers were consistently more responsive in practice.
For modern ones there are some cool posts like this one [1], where most of the time there "were no statistically significant difference", or even wireless was more responsive.
Gamepads always impressed me - they can deliver insanely good response times while streaming high quality audio with no lag. I never found other BT accessories for phones/computers that were even close to that smooth experience.
[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/PS5/comments/m020e3/dualsense_wired...
For pro gaming perhaps the difference would make the slightest difference. For casuals, let alone office workers, the difference is 0 (writing this with a mx master 4 next to me).
Saying this as someone who has tried dozens of mice in my life. Last corded-one, bought for my son yesterday (razer cobra minecraft edition). I don't think I'd be able to tell the difference between wired and wireless in a blind test.
or you can just use wifi dongle one
there is no reason not to, even pro player in esports is using wireless mouse
the technology is there even for top 1%
Does something like this exists for the keyboards too? (have one of those in its box due to bad software...)
Nice!
I'm not sure this supports G502 as it's supposed to be controlled by Logitech G HUB.
Anyway, if you want a CLI replacement for G HUB, I played a bit with opengcontrol [1] to support my new G502 using Claude Code. I wrote a short blog post about it as well [2]. I even got a battery indicator for my menu bar.
Love my Logitech mouse, keyboard, and webcam. Their software not in the same league as their hardware.
I once heard a story about an old Logitech webcam driver in windows. Once it was installed, it would always scan for the webcam and if it wasn’t detected it would write to an error log. So if you set up the webcam once and then got rid of it without uninstalling the driver it would always dump logs upon logs. Eventually a user had their entire disk space filled and when they dug into it they found a single tens or hundreds of GB log file. Uninstalling the driver fixed it.
You love having to replace your mouse regularly because Logitech intentionally uses shit switches to force people to keep buying their products?
I tried it for about a month, but I was having several issues whereby the scroll direction kept inverting, the thumb button not sticking to its program, and smartshift not triggering when scrolling. In the end I regrettably went back to logi options+.
This is awesome! Thank you so much for great work! I love it, I wasn't even aware of the actions ring! Off-topic - does anyone know if something like this exists for Keychron keyboards?
Before clicking, I thought this might be a reverse engineering attempt of the Logitech Harmony series of universal remotes, which have been discontinued but do still work, albeit cloud tethered for updates. There’s still a strong demand for this in the home automation space, if you read forums on the topic. Oh well, hopefully there’s a few more years in my Harmony Hub and Elite.
If the device renderings are fetched from assets.openlogi.org, it's technically not telemetry free, though I guess we can trust the author to not track every call?
How comfortable is using mouse in Mac?
Sometime ago when I tried using mouse, it felt unnatural in Mac OS. No pinch to zoom, no changing desktops by swiping with multitouch and so on.
I use the Master MX 3s specifically because of the "gestures" button, it was mandatory for me to replace using the trackpad. It's basically a thumb button you can press and combine with a mouse gesture to do the same thing as finger gestures on the trackpad. I mainly use the gestures left/right (to switch between full screen apps/main dektop) and up (mission control) but it's all configurable. It also has an horizontal scroll wheel that's very useful when using Excel or DB viewers.
I much prefer a mouse (I use the MX Vertical) to a trackpad for long periods of time at my desk.
Cmd+Scroll for zoom in/out, Ctrl+Left/Right arrows to switch spaces. It's not a fun as the trackpad, but those are things i don't do that often.
Very basic flow of adding a device connected via Bluetooth seems broken. Would love this to work but think it needs a few more months development.
The latest LogiOptions plus is a nightmare and I was really happy to see this. However, looking at comments I have now found one more alternative which I had not heard of. Thanks HN. I also have installed karabiner elements for some of the mouse remapping.
Finally. I've been stuck with my onboard selections for a year now due to lack of motivation to deal with windows. Definitely gonna be checking this out.
- stupid question: what exactly does this do and why do I need it?
Logitech mice and keyboards have extra features that the OS would consider non-standard; you can customize a lot of behaviors as well as map extra buttons to specific actions. For some reason, Logitech decided not to store customization settings on-device so there is a background daemon that must run on the host. Also inexplicably, it is an electron app with a 600MB install footprint requiring online connectivity (apparently there's also an offline version, weighing in at 1.2GB). Also not available on Linux.
> Also inexplicably, it is an electron app
No need to be modest! You can explain it!
You usually don’t _need_ it but there are a couple things you can’t do without it. Pairing a mouse/kb to their usb receiver for example is not possible without it.
Never heard of Logitech options, have just had G Hub installed for ages (and had a huge number of problems with it on MacOS when I first got the G502 lightspeed 3y ago).
Looks like this is for the "Logi" high end office series. They use different software for some reason, I guess Logitech thinks their customers don't want to see anything gaming related in their app because it looks unprofessional.
This is different from the Mouser open source app for Logitech?
I've always been a fan of BetterMouse: https://better-mouse.com/
Either way, anything that isn't the stock Logitech software is going to be an improvement.
The header doesn't fit on mobile. Teach your agent to use Playwright MCP.
Name leaves me optimistic it could support keyboards in future
I've been using Mouser but it keeps crashing on MacOS 27 beta for me and at 500MB+ of memory use it appears to be approaching the official app's heaviness...
So this appeared at just the right moment for me, thanks!
AI;DR (AI; Didn’t Read)
Not used a mouse for years, trackpad on 15 MacBook M4 Air is 100x better for my type of work.
Always this type of guy will spawn in any HN thread > Logitech Mouse software > bUt I dOnT usE mOusE foR yEArs
Not allowed an opinion what is this The Soviet Union?
That you haven’t used a mouse for years is (presumably) a fact, not an opinion. But what’s your point in stating that in this thread? Obviously mouse users nowadays are aware that there are people who prefer trackpads.
life saver. still remember the days when damn options+ update makes all the master 3 broken on the internet.
Fast download for me. But immediately denied. Doesn't run on Mac intel hardware.
Well... yeah, at this point you can stop expecting pre-build binaries of new softwares for pre-ARM Macs
In case author is here, Under resources tab at the footer, Introduction anchor is not in english
generic ai landing page = close the tab
justneed this for anker mouse
cant stop the slop
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Nice job on the app and the website. It looks really good.
> the genai content on the website is just so distracting and such a bummer
That's harsh. Consider English might not be the author's first language (I see Chinese on the screenshots). Just opening the site I get all the info I need from the text (local first, no account, no telemetry, that's great), install instructions are immediately visible, there are screenshots, even the config file format is one scroll away. This is a great landing page for an open source tool.
As LLM generated template web GUI go it's relatively inoffensive, at least it's easy to navigate and doesn't waste time with sliders, animated effects, etc. It's just a navbar across the top and then content.
As far as the page body content goes it seems like LLMs have taken a little bit too enthusiastically to an Apple style presentation of product features.
This website still would have taken at least a week to make. It’s pretty nice for an open source project website.
Between no website and shiny but crappy LLM website, I’ll take the latter, and I wouldn’t wish another 2 weeks of unpaid copy writing on any open source dev.
Okay, but how about a shiny LLM website but with human-written text that's actually nice to read and not some unedited AI output? That doesn't take a week.
Yes, it takes a month or two.
Depends on the project.
For some of us writing good text takes a lot of time and effort.
Having had to edit the documentation from native English speakers in the past, rewriting "in their own words" made it unclear, way too detailed about unnecessary options, and badly formed sentences.
The average person cannot write good documentation (or website copy). It's an actual skill to learn how to phrase things, ensure that the documentation delivers the right level of detail to the different reader types etc.
As English writers, software developers make great programmers, not authors.
Then throw https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signs_of_AI_writing into your context and call it a day. there is no excuse for not proof-reading what you expect others to read.
If you never take the time, of course it will always be a lot of effort. But with experience it’ll take less time and effort.
Except "website made by LLM" almost invariably means the software was "written" by an LLM too, and thus is likely full of security vulnerabilities, bugs, and so on. It may also mean that github issues are being reviewed by an AI, which opens the door up to the AI to malicious prompting.
I think I strongly disagree with your first sentence. Strongly. I've worked with enough people with fine coding skills and terrible English to know that the two are not an uncommon combination. Last year, I worked with someone whose first language was something from China - no idea which flavour - and they would often pass their written comms through an LLM. I could tell when they had done so by the onset of sudden grammatical correctness. But I don't think they were doing this with the intention of deceiving, merely of communicating clearly and correctly.
Now, I often find Claude's idea of idiomatic prose to be a bit load-bearingly seam-hitting as it lands not this point, but THAT one, but it is probably better than something hacked out by a person who confuses tenses, cases, pronouns and when they can enverb a noun. So I tend towards giving people the benefit of the doubt on this.
Lastly, if you think LLM-written software is full of security vulnerabilities and bugs, I have terrible news for you about the state of human-written code. The fact that what we do is often better than nothing at all, is no big recommendation.
Dumb question but its because I genuinely do not know better. What is the security risk of what is as far as i understand a mouse driver with config options?
That's a problem wether AI is involved or not.
a mouse is an input device. most security challenges (passwords, etc.) are input via input devices. those are at a risk of being compromised. also clicks on an on-screen keyboard, etc. in fact, if u think about it, input device data (also know as telemetry - ironically, what we are trying to prevent in the first place by the logi app to do) security is a very serious potential attack vector.
Right you are, Ken. With the amount of new low-effort software we can expect to see over the next decade, taste becomes a hallmark.
Yeah even if the software is good there's just something sad about realizing you're reading AI generated text. Even if its proofread and factually correct it just comes across as cheap and low effort, moreso when the content gets duplicated in a pointless FAQ that just restates everything you just read
> Comes across cheap
Given this is open-source, have you considered contributing a more expensive-feeling landing page? Or, donating to finance the project?
I would rather it feel dev-cheap than corpo-cheap. Throw your MD doc into a basic CSS reset/theme, with a github and download link.
> Even if its proofread and factually correct it just comes across as cheap and low effort
That's exactly how I feel about people using Eastpaks instead of Louis Vuitton. Just yuck.
And with polos. If you're not wearing Ralph Lauren, you're not worth talking to.
>Even if its proofread and factually correct it just comes across as cheap and low effort
How so?
Because it is cheap and low effort.
It indicates that the author likes to take shortcuts and avoid work.
It just feels hollow and cheap.
It’s still hollow and cheap. I closed those sites immediately even before LLMs. You need to pay me to waste my time, not the other way around. Even if that’s using your then not-so-free app.
I reads like a corporate driver page. I'd much prefer a simple git repo with a readme.md
The GitHub repo is literally one click away, the GitHub link is at the top right as usual
It seems the project is actually aware of this:
> Quit Logi Options+ before launching: the two fight over HID++ access, and only one app can own a receiver at a time. On Linux, the same applies to Solaar.
Solaar is fantastic software. Not worth replacing with slop even if the slop looks shiny.
This support Windows and macOS in addition to Linux. I'm not in a hurry to disrupt things on my Linux machine, but I might just have to try this on the other platforms.
While it does look extremely likely that AI is used for the copy writing, and probably for some of the code maintenance, I'm not convinced that this is being vibe coded.
Yeah, I have been using Solaar for many years now, solid piece of software.