> Two crypto thieves decided to settle an argument over who was wealthier by screensharing as they transferred crypto between wallets to prove ownership. In doing so, one of them — known online as "Lick" — revealed a wallet address that crypto sleuth zachxbt quickly tied to the theft of around $90 million from US government wallets containing seized crypto assets
Rapp snitches.
A bit lost here. Is there more backstory to this? It reads as if the government contractors son stole the 90 million from the government?
Correct. US Marshalls have a contract with this guy’s dad to mange their crypto holdings (seized as part of investigations). Kid steals money but can’t resist showing off to friends and gets “busted”. Except the government still doesn’t appear to acknowledge a theft even occurred and the kid taunts investigators by sending them small amounts of ETH.
I wonder if technically the small amounts of eth are bribes…
just to let the kid know, I'm one of the investigators. I hate being taunted with any type of cryptocoin, cash of any denomination. I also hate gold and silver. I won't sleep until I catch you or $10 whichever comes first.
Is this the part everyone's telling me about where fascists are deeply incompetent?
It's not political. Most government contractors are barely competent and computer security is hard.
I doubt the present administration is particularly competent at bureaucracy but this theft occurred in Oct 2024 while the Biden administration was in charge. To be honest, Trevor Milton's pardon after donating a few million to Trump's campaign mean that any sum of money over $2m in government contractor hands is probably at risk. With a $2m price on pardons, it's just a question of mechanizing the machine.
Or, as Trump might say, "Bring back the autopen!"
Fascism is a lack of emotional intelligence, which is basic intelligence. Empathy and compassion are a form of basic intelligence.
I dislike people like you more than I dislike regular dumb people, because I'm sure you're convinced that was a really smart reply.
To be explicit: The person you're responding to didn't say it but they have as a premise that when it comes to political systems, lack of empathy is the defining characteristic of fascism (I'm not saying I agree with the premise, I'm saying they had this premise). If you accept this, then their argument is not logically wrong. In contrast, your example is logically wrong. In the "two feet" example you're point at one attribute of something, not a defining characteristic. The correct example would be "All bipeds have two feet (by definition). Bob has two feet, therefore Bob is a biped". The gibberish you produced is logically wrong, while that of the person you're talking to is not, but you're too stupid to understand that.
This would be a much better link for this post
There's a lot more detail, and delivered in more professional way
If you email the mods about this (and link to your comment), they might well agree and update the post link.
Molly White really is quite thorough
Somewhat reminds me of this: https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/former-federal-agent...
Tangent: what does the govt do with seized crypto? Does it eventually get liquidated?
They used to auction it but I think now they are holding it in a "strategic reserve".
So much of the government is like this, they will hire some connected guy to manage something in a slightly competent manner.
Just learned that the federal government has long term leases on office buildings that congressmen have a financial interest in. More disappointment.
I think the level of corruption and blatant disregard for laws by the privileged we're seeing is unlike anything in modern history. If Nixon's watergate happened today it wouldn't even be a blip in the 24hrs news cycle, that's how far gone the erosion of institutions and rule of law is.
> it wouldn't even be a blip in the 24hrs news cycle
It would be, but both mass media and people attention spans have changed, so it would be very different in a lot of ways.
It's pretty wild how "normalized" it got within my generation.
What's more wild is how much of the US believes that the other party would be much worse.
To be clear, Republicans are absolutely the current cause of this insanity that's going on. The two party system doesn't help, but Republicans have committed insanity while claiming everyone else is doing worse. Trump is a literal pedophile who openly admitted to hating immigrants his entire life. We all saw this coming.
That's how Russian propaganda works
It didn’t. You started paying attention. That’s all that changed. Hillary Clinton was pulling exceptional performance on cattle futures and Paul Pelosi had a strange knack for picking stock that reacted well to laws his wife pushed for. It is brazen today because they’re just launching $MELANIA and shit like that and selling pardons but that’s only because that’s user-visible. If someone siphoned your taxes or performed insider trading you wouldn’t even know.
But corruption has been part and parcel of US politics. Or are we supposed to believe that things like the Chappaquiddick incident were actually innocent accidents?
When I was younger I remember thinking that George Bush pardoning Scooter Libby was outrageous. Then I found out what these people were up to routinely.
I had a look at the Wikipedia on Chappaquiddick and it doesn't mention anything corruption? Seems to have been drunk driving? Not sure how it relates?
Aaand people wonder why we don’t trust politicians. I know a couple of good people who have tried to get into politics, just on a local scale. They said it was the worst thing they ever did
>unlike anything in modern history
The stuff currently happening in the US is unusual for the US but mild compared to Putin's Russia which Trump seems a little inspired by. At least you don't have people falling out of windows yet.
To be clear: the crypto in question wasn't managed in even a slightly competent manner. It was literally embezzled.
It was embezzled in a slightly competent manner. Not very competently.
oh, yeah, I forgot about that grift. Another favorite of mine are the many holier-than-thou NGOs that are little more than friends and family enrichment schemes, even more grotesquely than the federal government contracting grift that is not just replete with political and staffer corruption, but also just plain run of the mill nepotism... literally parent hiring and managing children. And no, this has been pervasive for many years now. I would say it really got bad in the aughts when the budgets blew up and things like enforcement and prosecution just couldn't keep up with the money spigots, not to mention that hiring criteria other than competence led to the most lazy, and disinterested people responsible for investigation and prosecution to the point that you basically had to build a case and deliver a signed, recorded, and notarized confession before anyone would even look at obvious corruption and grift.
>> More disappointment.
This whole headline in incredibly comical: https://democrats-judiciary.house.gov/media-center/press-rel...
https://democrats-judiciary.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/dem...
And he has been and continues to make fun of the investigators, publicly mocking investigators and sending small amounts from the fraudulent wallets to investigators.
Crazy world
If he "invests" some of his funds ... could get a pardon.
with that dirtbag, anybody can get a pardon - even illegal immigrants and all they need is a dollar
Tbf, accepting a pardon is legally admitting guilt per SCOTUS and disgorgement would allow the funds to be sized
Dr. Fauchi pardon comes to mind. I doubt that his accepting of pardon was an admission of guilt. He wasn't even charged, so how can he admit the guilt?
And i think that similar preemptive pardon here, without charge and thus any guilt admission, wouldn't allow the fund seizure.
Oh thats crazy about Fauzi lying under oath! Do you have a link in case I need to back this up
In theory. Do you really think that would happen in the current ecosystem?
Even "better", Trump can extort more ...
The one thing the government will not tolerate is embarrassment. There's no way he avoids a long prison sentence.
He’s reaping what he saw. Things aren’t looking good for him nor his father, a lesson both of them will painfully learn from. Father career is possibly over.
> Things aren’t looking good for him nor his father, a lesson both of them will painfully learn from
You’re a hell of an optimist.
I’d say that it’s just as likely that the pardon sharpie is being readied, just as soon as the super PAC donation clears.
Put it into Trump's coin as a donation
Bribes are $3M cash. He's good.
why would that make a difference
> Father career is possibly over.
Plenty of people would happily flush their career down the drain to run away with their family and $90M
I guess so but what about when you get caught and get nothing?
Just like many people are optimists in thinking criminals will get consequences, criminals are often optimists in thinking they won’t get consequences.
Both have cherry-picked their life experiences to support this view.
Is that same or different from the gang who robbed an armored car for about $100M worth of goods, and ICE stopped the prosecution and deported one of the robbers, before the stolen goods were recovered?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_granted_executi...
Pretty sure they'll both be fine as long as they still have access to that money.
He and his son should be in jail. This is criminal; whether it's theft or criminal negligence.
the feds haven't even acknowledged there was a theft. it's possible they still don't know or somehow don't have the evidence to bring charges
Or this is a false accusation.
I don't have the knowledge to sanity check the claims, but I would've figured someone would be getting rolled by now. I recall that the dad was scrubbing socials along with the son, but that could be token harassment.
Likely? Yes.
Watches? You can also be right. Though, I don't think you need $90 million to spend <$1 million on a watch to splurge.
The feds won't say anything until after they arrest the father and son. Obviously there is an investigation going on but it takes more than a few days.
It appears the feds were so incompetent they didn't realize the theft had occurred until AFTER Zach's post went viral, and even then, nothing may happen. And to think, had Lick done nothing he likely would have gotten away with it. Perfect crime undone by ego.
Is the accusation the dad stole the crypto, or the dad AND the son stole the crypto ?
The headline is that the son stole the crypto. Maybe your sarcasm went over my head, and you're just saying that the dad is definitely involved too. In which case, probably.
i wasnt be sarcastic, it seems so easy to prove i cant believe the kid needed to DOX himself. the US Government puts his dad in charge of shitload of crypto and his son starts live streaming himself buying expensive watches - seems like a slam dunk to me
It's not clear.
There's no honor among thieves.
This isn't a "honor among thieves" thing. This is a "getting one over on someone you don't like because there's no consequences" thing.
This is a petty dispute. I'm not gonna go put a bullet in someone who over a petty dispute like this. Nobody is, not even thieves and other people who live outside the law. That's just absurd. Someone who I've wronged in doing so (i.e. someone who likes them) might put one back in me. Or there might be other consequences. People let those things go because it's just not worth it vs the risk of consequences.
But say I can do something that will cause the government to go after someone for me at no risk to myself... That's basically what happened here.
This is basically an attempted (we'll see if it succeeds) DDOS reflection attack but with government.
There’s another crypto thief that is the son of the head government official…
Slightly tangential question but what’s with govt seized crypto assets? I had a bit of Litecoin a while back and went to check my wallet one day to find an FBI landing page instead. Is that just theirs now? Feels a bit like the gov seized control of my savings account.
Same - lost 500 LTC and 5ish BTC to fbi raid of an exchange back when BTC was ~$12. Sure would love to get that back at current prices!