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The grab list: how museums decide what to save in a disaster

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lexicality20 days ago
Chris204820 days ago

I wonder. Would it be possible for any/all submissions to automatically generate (and provide) and archive.is/archive.org link? @dang

I can't think of any large downsides, it would mean every submission would have an available snapshot for the given time, and we would no longer need a user comment to provide this.

pgwhalen20 days ago

I'm confident that you didn't realize what you were saying, but I really chuckled at "I can't think of any large downsides [in institutionalizing a clearly very legally questionable practice]".

Chris204820 days ago

Yes, I didn't realize this was a very legally questionable practice, let alone clearly. Can you explain why?

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xhkkffbf20 days ago
xhkkffbf20 days ago

Large downsides? How about the news sources going bankrupt? Someone has to pay for reporters.

SanjayMehta19 days ago

The sooner some "news sources" go bankrupt the better, especially The Economist.

rouslyrunn20 days ago

There’s a big difference between accepting people will post links that just happen to, sometimes get people past paywalls - and operationalising that so it’s the default behaviour

Chris204820 days ago

Actually I'd say the opposite: If it only happens with paywalled sites it's clear that its purpose it to circumvent paywalls. If you always do it, It's so there is a record of the original site at time of posting.

technotony20 days ago

It would also help with sites that can't handle the hacker News traffic load. Happens all the time

appreciatorBus20 days ago

One large downside is that publishers whose paywalls are being circumvented by the act of submitting to HN, would consider legal action against HN.

Chris204820 days ago

Why isn't that already an issue then? archive.is links remain, despite being easy to otherwise detect?

IANAL, but it would seem to me HN couldn't be liable, since it is a third party (archive.is/org) caching the site. In fact, I always assumed that's why the links aren't removed.

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appreciatorBus19 days ago
sidewndr4620 days ago

didn't google try this with AMP or whatever? It wasn't very popular

DetectDefect20 days ago

> Why do I have to complete a CAPTCHA?

> Completing the CAPTCHA proves you are a human and gives you temporary access to the web property.

> What can I do to prevent this in the future?

> If you are on a personal connection, like at home, you can run an anti-virus scan on your device to make sure it is not infected with malware.

Love how actual captcha spyware has turned to victim-blaming to justify its existence.

promiseofbeans20 days ago

The vast majority of website-gate captchas are served by cloudflare these days. You can use the privacy pass [0] browser extension to skip them. Privacy passes are an open standard [1], so you can re-implement it yourself if you don’t trust that extension.

[0]: https://developers.cloudflare.com/waf/tools/privacy-pass/ [1]: RFC 9576 https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc9576.html, RFC 9577 https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc9577.html, RFC 9578 https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc9578.html

staindk20 days ago

95% of the time I click the tick box and wiggle my mouse and it lets me through without doing a captcha.

I believe they check your mouse for human-like movement as an additional factor. Could be wrong but I haven't been bothered by many captchas in the last couple years.

DetectDefect18 days ago

I'm not pulling my pants down (enable javascript to have my browser identified) and wiggling anything, virtually or otherwise.

Arainach20 days ago

If malicious or scraping traffic is coming from your IP, it's not victim blaming.

AI has ruined everything good and free for everyone except a few oligarchs.

DetectDefect20 days ago

> If malicious or scraping traffic is coming from your IP, it's not victim blaming

But it is not; my IP is a residential address paid for with a credit card associated to a human who visits like 6 websites.

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Arainach20 days ago
ompogUe24 days ago

They also try to do it by design: The Menil Collection in Houston keeps their storage on the top floor to avoid damage from Hurricane flooding.

analog3120 days ago

I have my grab list. People first, then musical instruments.

jeffrallen19 days ago

I'm gonna throw the NAS with the family backups out the back window while running upstairs to get my son.

But yeah, with a bit of planning you can turn it into a yes-and situation.

Also: 48 hours. Can you provide for yourself and your neighbor for 48 hours without any help from the authorities? Does the Kanban card for pasta and tomato sauce always leave 10000 calories in the pantry? Got firewood, matches, and know where the nearest spring is? (This is easier in a culture where we still have running fountains with dates like 1780 on them.)

MarsIronPI19 days ago

> This is easier in a culture where we still have running fountains with dates like 1780 on them.

Oh wow, that's cool. May I ask what culture that is?

jeffrallen19 days ago

Switzerland, but I guess our neighbors valued free clean drinking water too.