Repo seems to be gone? User action or GitHub action?
Regardless, for visibility as to maybe-why this happened, here are screenshots of the user editing comments to insult/make them say something they never did;
https://web.archive.org/web/20251130091635/https://github.co...
The tool itself claims "Zero AI" (https://www.zigbook.net/) yet is very obviously A-Lot-AI.
https://github.com/zigbook/zigbook/pull/45#issuecomment-3592... Would this be grounds to report zigbook to GitHub maybe? This is wild
Fear not I've mirrored it https://web.archive.org/web/20251130091635/https%3A%2F%2Fgit...
Sadly the important information, what was actually edited, isn't part of that mirror. (It's async fetched by the ui when clicking on the edit information on GitHub)
it's said something to paraphrase "I wonder what antisocial behaviour will be seen next instead of dealing with the feedback"
The whole thing looks very childish, I'm not sure I even fully understand the conversation of #43. Are they troll accounts?
>Would this be grounds to report zigbook to GitHub maybe?
100%.
https://docs.github.com/en/communities/maintaining-your-safe...
Oh wow. Your original comment is pretty darn prophetic.
Grifter or not, editing user comments to make it look like they're saying something they're not isn't okay.
Edit: It appears that the repo is gone? User removed it or GitHub?
zigbook edited a 3rd party comment to say "I’m autistic and sperging out over stuff on the internet that doesn’t actually matter. Don’t mind me."
Just your run off the mill AI grifter.
EDIT: https://lobste.rs/s/pbn3zy/zigbook_learn_zig_programming_lan...
"Quick research - author's actual profile is https://github.com/zk-evm, and he's a potential scammer from crypto spaces, who also happens to be running fake GitHub Organisation of the Cursor editor, along with related BuyMeACoffee claiming it being official page of the "Cursor AI Editor"."
> Quick research - author's actual profile is https://github.com/zk-evm
The account is called zig-vm now.
And here's his real github account: https://github.com/gweidart
How did you connect this account back to the "real" account?
That's a pretty strong link, nice work!
It is not. zk-evm refers to a type of blockchain. It's not a unique/singular link.
That's mostly just odd. Either a young teen way in over their head or a weirdly non-functional adult.
your other PR made me laugh: https://github.com/zigbook/zigbook/pull/46 absolutely wild that they had the gall to report you, lol
Had a conversation with the Zigbook maintainer. It’s either a young kid or somebody that has some serious growing up to do. Just generally weird behavior.
Indeed: @zigbook changed the title "Fix license violations" "Im mad because you wrote code similiar to mine >:(" 3 minutes ago (https://github.com/zigbook/zigbook/pull/43)
Wow. It's also an extremely reasonable pull request, here's the only commit: https://github.com/zigbook/zigbook/compare/main...SuperAugus...
I could sort of understand it if the PR used all sorts of judgemental/accusatory language or something. But it doesn't; it's straight-forward and factual. Outright bizarre behaviour.
help us, it's gone
Original commit: https://github.com/SuperAuguste/zigbook/commit/8cc9edd35b3e3...
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It turns out a language whose leader calls github's people “Monkeys” ended up attracting immature people, who would have thought, really?
Was that not changed after feedback?
Plagiarism is a moral wrong.
But copyright infringement is a legal wrong (a civil liability).
Is what they're doing infringing on a copyrighted work? Or does it fail to uphold license terms? Many open source licenses have some amount of attribution as a requirement, so that'd be something to consider.
It's addressed in the post. MIT license. Zigbook is not honoring the attribution requirement. A PR to change that was closed and obfuscated.
> Zigbook is not honoring the attribution requirement
It's crazy how many people treat MIT as if it were public domain.
This probably depends on country, but AFAIK in most of europe, even in public domain, the „you can’t pass another’s work as your own” part of copyright is still active and doesn’t expire.
Something like, "Pride and Prejudice and Zombies, by Jane Austen and Seth Grahame-Smith" is probably sufficient.
AI is actually beginning to encourage "restricted source", public-only-gets-binary debates to simply avoid such legal issues.
Write a snail-mail letter to get the real sources. Repositories are private with a small well-vetted list of contributors. Also avoid slop-PR headaches that away.
If you were licensing MIT, ostensibly it’s not the copying you care about, just the attribution. There is always the option to turn off prs, or even distribute code without using github.
GitHub has never allowed public repos to disable PRs in particular. There's no setting for that.
@Zigtools:
Thank you for your educative post, letting the community know.
Don't let it to drag you down in any way. This is emotionally draining and takes away motivation, but keep going.
I just can't get over how ridicioulus the "no ai" statement is.
I really love the part where llm.txt has the same notice, something humans will never read, or the fact that llm.txt exists considering that there is distaste for AI in every part of this llm generated book.
"Not generated by AI" is something that every programmer everywhere is going to say about their own work, even when it's obviously AI generated. I've started to publicly call people out when I see they've posted something on social media (LinkedIn, etc.) when I see they've made an AI-generated post. The fraud has to stop.
There's also the option of embracing it.
https://github.com/Lillecarl/lix/commit/9ac72bbd0c7802ca83a9...
I'm not ashamed to use AI if it improves my output, people draw the line of "acceptable use" differently just like drug addicts talk shit about each other's drugs to justify their own. I think honesty is more important than cleanliness.
Kind of hard unfortunately, now when one gets evaluated how much we're improving our daily work with AI, when the annual feedback meeting comes.
The no AI devs will get a "needs improvement" report.
I stopped using linkedin once the mediapipe epidemic started and everyone who could type pip install mediapipe could write a half baked hand and face gesture demo to show themselves as the "cool programmer".
> I just can't get over how ridicioulus the "no ai" statement is
You don't have to. I'm sure there are lots of other communities that welcome low-effort slop with no effort put into it.
I remember reading the original zig book post and how weird it smelt. Even though it’s LLM written there’s more than a trivial amount of effort put into it. What could anyone possibly have to gain by doing this?
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I could see LLMs copying code as innocent mistake, but identical sha256sum on wasm files...jikes
Whenever I hear anything about Zig it seems to be drama. Very bizarre, will avoid.
Wtf is happening in the zig world this week
Playground wise, is Zigs wasm compiler able to compile out simd wasm in the browser? I'm trying to find the best languages that can. So far it's just assemblyscript and c/c++ and their compilers are big.
original submission dicussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45947810
The only stupid thing here is that the zigtools playground is mit licensed, so all zigbook had to do was acknowledging original copyright.
since zig is famously decentralized, i don't think there is a way to effectively combat bad actors like these? there is no "official zig org" that can disown them
Its the opposite in my understanding. Zig has a BDFL.
Trademarks are the usual cudgel of choice to enforce a bad actor claiming to be part of offcial Zig.
But he isn’t. He’s just writing an AI slop book about Zig. Surely there’s nothing legally wrong with that? He never said it’s an official book or backed by the Zig project.
The trademark cudgel is used on people who release an incompatible language that they insist on calling Zig, confusing people who want to try Zig. Or people who add malware to the Zig tool chain and try to distribute that.
Trademark can’t be used to control bad actors like zigbook.
> Surely there’s nothing legally wrong with that?
Incorrect. Not honoring the attribution requirement in the MIT license is a copyright infringement because it violates the terms of the license, which are legally enforceable conditions.
We are specifically talking about what the Zig project/foundation headed by Andy Kelley can do to such bad actors using the Zig trademark - which is exactly nothing.
I wouldn't be so quick with the "incorrect" if I were you. You haven't even taken the trouble to read two sentences.
In a decentralized but communicating community, this kind of post is raising awareness, and then the others in the community will make their own choices regarding the matter.
There should be something of an OFAC Sanction List for SWE for people who blatantly transgress moral and ethical lines.
And now it’s made private.
I wonder what tools the Zig team has to deal with trolls like this.
Is the zig name or logo trademarked? What about the mascot he's using as his github picture?
They're violating the terms of the MIT license as mentioned in the article, so maybe Zigtools has legal standing.
As for lying about no AI, being an asshole isn't illegal, so no angle there.
Any other ideas I missed?
Lying potentially opens up fraud angles if they are soliciting or receiving something of value. Maybe false advertising even they are giving it away for free. A lot of this will depend on who has jurisdiction
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Neither are the Zigtools folks. If you've ever run an open source project, you know that instead of running on money, they run on community goodwill. Having people take the project's creation, claim it as their own, and not comply with the license, are all damaging to people's motivation to contribute.
Misinformation and poor learning tools can do real damage to the experience of new zig users, which is incredibly meaningful.
Censorship is even worse
Requesting attribution (as the MIT license demands), hardly rises to the level of "censorship"
Or deleting all the comments there.
It's unbelievable to me that Github allows repo admins to edit other people's comments.
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What would be a valid reason to allow this? That just seems mind-numbingly stupid.
This is particularly useful when editing the top-level comment of a popular issue to specify the current status. Or when a peer opened a placeholder issue and you fill it up. Etc.
If you actually use GitHub as a social network of sorts, there are many reasons to do edit comments. All the edits are visible anyway. You're on Git-Hub, you can already edit everything you have write access to.
Censoring insults or illegal speech (depending on jurisdiction) would be the main reason I can think of.
The responds and edits are simply unprofessional and immature. I don't hate AI and in fact I use it for many research based tasks, helping me narrowing a lot of tough topics, but it is the People with these kind of attitude turns me off.
AI use is fine, though pretending you haven't used it when you obviously did rubs me the wrong way.
I get why GitHub allows editing comments of other users though for public repos I guess it allows for this kind of abuse
Exactly, being dishonest is the real problem here.
Luckily, every edits are recorded in history, so they can't really hide their abusive behavior, for now. Even if they did, seem like there are often people faster in archiving their posts than they hiding their post.
Did you make up A-Lot-AI? Can I suggest "A-Lott-a-AI"?
If you did, this is the greatest thing created in 3 ABC ("After Bullshit ChatGPTification"; ChatGPT launched in 2022.).
NB: Since ChatGPT is basically the new Messiah for many, I really think we should now be using dates like 3 ABC or 5 POS. POS stands for "Prior to Overlord Slop/Shit". I suggest we give up AD/BC.
But, please, I'm not the messiah! (hopefully you have watched Life of Brian!)
I find GitHub to be very prompt and responsive to abuse reports, so I wouldn’t be surprised if it was them if people reported the comments etc.
The only public repo remaining under their github account is this VSCode-Copilot integration tool (https://github.com/zigbook/pilot).
probably user reports to GitHub's moderation team