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Overview of the Ada Computer Language Competition (1979)

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kevlar7009 months ago

Interestingly Co-Pilot gets it wrong and states Ada was designed by committees instead of being multiple competitive processes. How misunderstood Ada is.

https://copilot.microsoft.com/shares/Jp9AmNHMEJzNmcbiu1VNx

https://copilot.microsoft.com/shares/vUjdaDh4mXvj1fm4cyt15

7thaccount9 months ago

I believe it was both:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Order_Language_Working_...

The High Order Language Working Group came up with the requirements.

kevlar7009 months ago

True but it was far more open than a committee. The STRAWMAN requirements were circulated widely for comment to industry, military, federal and academic communities and to select experts such as Dijkstra and Hoare. Then WOODENMAN circulated for comment after incorporating changes based on STRAWMANS responses.

adrian_b9 months ago

I wish I knew who were the anonymous authors of DoD "IRONMAN" (January 1977), especially who has written the paragraph "7.2.F. (7F.) FORMAL PARAMETER CLASSES".

"IRONMAN" has introduced a very important innovation in programming languages, which has been inherited by Ada and by its derivatives, e.g. VHDL (the innovation is that formal parameters may have 3 kinds of behaviors, "in", "out" and "in out", and that the parameter behavior must be specified, but not its implementation mechanism, like in older programming languages).

Unfortunately this innovation has remained largely unknown for the authors of most more recent programming languages, which are defective because of that.

If Bjarne Stroustrup had bothered to read carefully the Ada specification before conceiving "C with Classes", he might have understood the implication of the "IRONMAN" parameter classes for languages with constructors and destructors, like C++, which could have avoided many decades of pain for the C++ users. In a language with the "IRONMAN" parameter classes, constructors can be ordinary functions and there is no need for many features that complicate C++, like distinct copy constructors and assignment operators, or "move" semantics. Moreover, the performance problems that have plagued C++ before 2011, due to the creation of unnecessary temporaries, would have been avoided since the beginning.

It is likely that the authors of "IRONMAN" did not fully understand the consequences of their innovation, but they had proposed it only in order to make the new DoD language more similar to Jovial, which was a programming language used in several DoD projects at that time. Jovial had such formal parameter classes, but their meaning was slightly different than in "IRONMAN" and in the later Ada, enough to make them much less useful.

Before "IRONMAN", the earlier DoD requirements were to be able to specify whether the parameters are passed by value or by reference, which is an extremely wrong requirement. It is the same mistake made by C and by its derivatives, including recent derivatives, like Rust.

How the parameters are passed must be decided by the compiler, not by the programmer. For the programmer it does not matter whether a parameter is passed by value or by reference, when the passing of the parameters is implemented correctly (e.g. an in-out parameter that is passed by value is copied from the caller to the function and then back when the function returns, if that is necessary; frequently this is not necessary, e.g. if the parameter is located in a register; if the in-out parameter is so big that copying would be slow, the compiler decides to pass it by reference; in C and its derivatives, both out and in-out parameters must be passed by reference, even when that is the wrong choice; moreover, the compiler cannot flag as an error the reading of an out parameter prior to its first writing).

touisteur9 months ago

Yes this is one of my favorite Ada features (combined with named paramètres at call-site) it always felt clearer reading or writing Ada. The intent ('what') is more important (to me, reading heaps and heaps of code) than the 'how' that I can infer quickly and is less useful in data-flow reading mode.

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renox9 months ago
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synack9 months ago

There’s more detail about the language proposals and their merits here: (very large PDF) https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/trecms/pdf/ADB950587.pdf

pixelesque9 months ago

Heh.

"We did not have enough time to do a thorough analysis. The languages arrived at WHMI on February 21 and were on my desk on February 22. To insure the analysis is on your desk by March 13, we have to mail our report on March 8. That gives us fourteen days (counting weekends) to read the languages and work on the analysis. Figure two days to read and understand a language. We have used eight days. Another three days are used to write a report and solicit comments, and one day is lost typing. That leaves two days to analyze the four languages. Even if we had a thousand computer scientists doing the analysis, we could have only scratched the surface of these designs. Two hundred and seventy women can not have a baby in a day."

askvictor9 months ago

How funny, I was just talking about and researching Ada at work this afternoon, while discussing what the best language for safety critical embedded systems would be

gridtied9 months ago

If i may, what was the outcome? ADA?

askvictor9 months ago

It rated highly. But lack of community & ability to hire devs would be it's biggest problems. Rust isn't really mature enough in the embedded space just yet. So we'll be sticking with C/C++ for now D-:

transpute9 months ago

On embedded systems with enough power budget to run statically-partitioned virtualized guest VMs, one could use different languages in different VMs, e.g. separated by maturity and talent availability for specific use cases. Or code that runs on a special-purpose processor.

> lack of community & ability to hire devs would be it's biggest problems

In some contexts, this might be a competitive advantage, e.g. Nvidia uses Ada to secure RoT firmware that protects their industry-leading margins. But they have the luxury of deep pockets and a full hiring pipeline, "Nvidia Security Team: “What if we just stopped using C?”, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42998383

  SPARK is a formally defined computer programming language based on the Ada programming language, intended for the development of high integrity software used in systems where predictable and highly reliable operation is essential. It facilitates the development of applications that demand safety, security, or business integrity.
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tgv9 months ago

Useful, as the site seems overloaded, but that link only says "Welcome to nginx".

cpeterso9 months ago

Some biting critiques from Edsger Dijkstra:

Red: “the proposal is both advanced and backward in such an incongruous manner that I am baffled”

Green: “technical incompetence, probably enhanced by dishonesty”

Blue: “the blue language is unacceptably complex” … “these documents are an inextricable mixture of technical documentation and salestalk”

Yellow: “an unsalvageable mess”

https://craftofcoding.wordpress.com/2014/04/16/dijkstra-on-a...

transpute9 months ago
vaxman9 months ago

errbody from that era hates Ada --it was an edict that died once the promises of OOP began to be realized.

"dead things should stay dead" - Pet Cemetery, Steven King

If you want to have some fun from 1979, I highly recommend FORTH. It's really good and would have taken over the universe (lowercase u) had K&R C not dropped as part of the slow motion train wreck known as Unix (not to be confused with Linux). https://hackaday.io/project/170826/logs?sort=oldest

vaxman9 months ago

PS: Charles "Chuck" Moore (who developed FORTH) last made a release called etherForth at https://etherforth.org/ It runs on a chip he designed called the GA144 (which is also programmed in arrayForth3) available at https://www.greenarraychips.com/home/products/index.php Again, this is for devs that want to have some fun. Between ZeptoForth and etherForth, you're covered.

microtherion9 months ago

FORTH is amazing for bootstrapping on a small system. But actually writing code with it is an acquired taste at best.

aaron6959 months ago

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